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Talking About My Generation : HR1955

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Now, even as bad as this is for the government, it is even worse for those members in my age group. Our strong vocal messages of changing politics in America will certainly be construed as "extremist" by our current government standards. But the most worrying part of this legislation is that it can be issued by either party to further the agenda of the Welfare/Warfare state.
Don't believe in attacking Iran? Well you're giving comfort to the enemy. Off to the gulags! Skeptical about global warming? How dare you! Off to prison For school Choice? What are you some kind of extremist?!

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{"commentId":1178696,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

i smell a revolution

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:19 PM EST
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One trouble with politics is that there are extremists on both sides.

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    Reply#2 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:37 PM EST
    {"commentId":1179192,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

    And another is that there are only two sides.

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    #2.1 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:19 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1179227,"authorDomain":"O-K"}

    I agree. With 3,4,5 parties at least there are more choices.

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    Reply#3 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":1179302,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

    and with a less black & white approach, politicians could actually run on issues, not school-yard rhetoric

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    #3.1 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:48 PM EST
    {"commentId":1179358,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}

    Who is going to fund these extra parties? Unless the corporations currently in power are willing, it's not going to happen.

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    #3.2 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":1179451,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

    Funding isn't what is holding them down. It's a lack of caring on behalf of the citizenry. The Sheep of this country prefer it to be as simple as Red Team or Blue Team. Because the average American stops maturing after high school. If people cared about the issues that effect them, then change would happen regardless of finance.

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    #3.3 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:25 PM EST
    {"commentId":1179636,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}

    I'm not sure that caring has anything to do with it--more like intelligence--our public schools don't teach critical thinking, for the most part.

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      #3.4 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:24 PM EST
      {"commentId":1179707,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

      I know, I went from a private school to public, they teach very little of importance, yet you do learn the "A vs B" mentality that dominates this nation... but if someone, uneducated or not, cares enough about these things, they will learn, then act. Even people who are aware of the problems don't always act, because it is easier to forget and sit down in front of the TV and pull for the team of your choice. Education doesn't (well.... shouldn't) stop once school is done.

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      • 3 votes
      #3.5 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:44 PM EST
      {"commentId":1181977,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}

      I agree. Thanks.

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        #3.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:24 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1179392,"authorDomain":"O-K"}

        Bloomberg is a possibility.

        Soros is another.

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          Reply#4 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:09 PM EST
          {"commentId":1179461,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}

          We who have grown up under the shelter built by the founders of a democratic republic have taken for granted a government of the people based on reason and the people's choice. And now it is threatened again, not for the firs time, and it won't be the last. Before our nation was founded, modern governments of the time were based on authoritarian domination. The people in general were considered little more than cattle, to be governed and controlled by those possessing wealth, education and power, and kept under subjection lest they undermine the stability of the government. The Founding Fathers introduced the revolutionary idea that government could rest on the reasoned choice of the people themselves, which was thought absurd in other lands at that time. Conservatives will have us return to those times, the good ol' days.

          "The Gothic idea that we were to look backwards instead of forwards for the improvement of the human mind, and to recur to the annals of our ancestors for what is most perfect in government, in religion and in learning, is worthy of those bigots in religion and government by whom it has been recommended, and whose purposes it would answer. But it is not an idea which this country will endure." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, 1800.

          I have fought for my rughts and others, and will die for them if I need too. I love my country, and by that I mean the Constitution. Because without that (God Damned) piece of paper, this country is just another piece of land with people on it. And over two hundred years of fighting and dying to win and keep the spirit of liberty alive will have been for nothing. How is that respecting the dead if we trash everything that they belived and died to provide for us? How do we respect our soldiers by giving up what the gave their lives to protect, just so we can be safe for another day?

          ""He who made us would have been a pitiful bungler, if he had made the rules of our moral conduct a matter of science [education, learning]. For one man of science, there are thousands who are not. What would have become of them? Man was destined for society. His morality, therefore, was to be formed to this object. He was endowed with a sense of right and wrong merely relative to this. This sense is as much a part of his nature, as the sense of hearing, seeing, feeling; it is the true foundation of morality...(not religion) The moral sense, or conscience, is as much a part of man as his leg or arm. It is given to all human beings in a stronger or weaker degree, as force of members is given them in a greater or less degree. It may be strengthened by exercise, as may any particular limb of the body. This sense is submitted indeed in some degree to the guidance of reason; but it is a small stock which is required for this: even a less one than what we call Common sense. State a moral case to a ploughman and a professor. The former will decide it as well, and often better than the latter, because he has not been led astray by artificial rules." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787.
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          • 3 votes
          Reply#5 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:28 PM EST
          {"commentId":1179488,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

          "Give me Liberty or give me Death"

          not

          "Take my Liberty to avoid Death"

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          • 1 vote
          #5.1 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:36 PM EST
          {"commentId":1179645,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}

          I assume you've heard this George Carlin monologue--if not, it's worth hearing.

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            #5.2 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:26 PM EST
            {"commentId":1179894,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}

            Our soliders who fight and die for our country, Our Government, The President, take oaths to protect the Constitution, not you ass.

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            #5.3 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:35 PM EST
            {"commentId":1179910,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

            Who are you talking to Dan Hallo? I agreed with you, and Angel didn't say anything to deserve that.

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            #5.4 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:40 PM EST
            {"commentId":1180236,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}

            Mars, just a general statement, not directed towards anyone in particular. Just the collective ass, Sorry for not being clearer-er :)

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              #5.5 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:18 PM EST
              {"commentId":1181792,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

              haha it's all good man.

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                #5.6 - Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:27 PM EST
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                {"commentId":1179659,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

                The future foreseen here is not pretty. Something has to happen to prevent that from becoming reality for the next generation.

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                Reply#6 - Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:33 PM EST
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